Here’s a question and answer with one of my newer students. He’s been taking bootcamps from a well known company and guru but has found major roadblocks to his game so is now coming to me for advice. He hasn’t bootcamped with me so at first my knowledge and language assumes he has the basic knowledge I impart to my students and it’s obvious he is not there yet… But the end lesson is VERY important… as it’s one I see all the time these days with standard bootcamps and pua training that needs to be given…
Student: December 4 at 5:00pm Report
Hey Tech i no this isnt the place at where i should post questions for the udemy site but i couldnt find it on there and this is the one place i no ull read and consider 🙂 But oky back to the question:
A friend and I have been wondering something for a good while already. Its only happend to us a few times and when it did either they turned into a lady friend or you seriously feel like she was strongly emotional invested. The question is about “creating an emotional connection.” In my experiance, out of the numerous of sets that ive done, ive only truly experianced it for only about 3 times and i seriously do not know how i did it. Ona side note, it happend only within a matter of minuets so i know theres something there i just do not no. The situation resulted in the girl genuinely having strong feelings for me and i could seriously tell he emtional connection was there. So if u could explain the concept, how its done, and a few routines and/or examples that you use or simple stuff we could immediately apply for our improvement. Thanks Tech hope to hear from ya!
TEch December 4 at 5:09pm
Well the answer to that question really depends on one thing. The woman. Every woman connects differently. The key here is the reason you don’t know how you did it was you did not know how to calibrate that she was connecting. And if you only had it happen three times, you are using outer game that is not congruent with who you are… you should be connecting every time if you truly like the women. Now is there a gambit to this? You already know them. But you have been using them to try to eek out attraction rather than listening to gather a connection. Otherwise you wouldn’t be missing on the connection signals. We all read ioi’s. But can you read the trance signs where a woman is going into her head and connecting to you? that is more the hypnotic speed seduction stuff.
have you done manny the martian yet? because it’s how you learn IOI’s and connection trance points. You put out a nonsensical opener and watch how the woman’s channels open up to allow deeper connection.
How to do this from a pua standpoint? learn her anchor words (style’s eliciting values) And send those words back to her in anchored conversation.
Women connect when their subconscious connects. This takes the higher level teaching I give you. If you are on my free udemy stuff, watch the lecture number 3 on hypnotic change and the explanation about women. A woman feels connection when you hit her subconscious triggers of what is attractive and what she needs. You only learn if you are connecting if I can show you in 3d a woman who is connecting. She will give eye tracking visual cues and she will act differently when she is going into trance. This one is impossible to do as a message and just needs me to show you, because you can’t even do the education on dvd.
Student December 6 at 12:54am Report
Woa….. Oky Tech no offense, but a good 70 percent on what you said went way over my head. Ya this feels very advance. The only thing i can really explain (and i hope im not drifting subjects) is when i watch other (also read some of field reports just as some of yours posted) MPUAs infield.
When i see them run game it seems like majority of the sets that they run really hit well. And when they choose their target very quikly something happends and u can see the “click” between the two. And to me, since they do it alot it sort of comes off as a skill or somthing they “know.” Its as if the girl they are in interaction with, makes the “big” decision in her wanting him and hes somehow done something to “make” that decision happen. So is it a skill?? I dunno what to think of it.
Its kind of like in the situation in the book INFLUENCE by robert caldini (hopefully you read it) where in the consistany and commitment chapter with the Lady and the raddy old loser boyfriend. Where when she leaves but he begs for her back and he promises to change, but doesnt change at all and she ends up MORE committed to him than ever because she made a choice. Similar to a situation where you make a final choice and bet on a horse and all of a sudden you believe with all your heart he is going to win.
So i dunno for me since its happened so rarely and for you Mpuas so often feels like theres somthing else going on. Whether its you guys no ur aware of or not.
Tech December 6 at 1:10am
It’s investment. The click is where you’ve shown value, you’ve listened to her talk about herself then invest in you. In the investment she has made a commitment and so will stick with you more.
Here’s my base analogy.
You have 2 toy cars. You can only choose one.
Car #1: A robotic lego car that is already put together for you or
Car #2: A pinewood derby car you and your father put together together when you were 6 years old.
Although the inherent value in car#1, car#2 has more value due to the investment. So the woman and man clicking is the investment point. SHe has decided to qualify, and in doing so the man tells her he likes her for her true qualities (he has to listen to her to know her true qualities!).
So most likely you aren’t giving the woman any chance… or reason… to invest in you and that makes all the difference in the “Clicking”
Student December 6 at 1:23am Report
ohh oky so the real “click” is the appreciation for the qualities that she wants to be appreciated for? And this all happends in the qualification process??
So if i use a qualifier and she qualifies herself but the proper emtional investment that is supposed to go with the qualifier isnt there means i needa basically DHV more and try again??
So in essence the reason why the MPUAs usually always get that “click” is because u demenstrate value enough to where she WILL give the proper emotional investment??
Tech December 6 at 1:34am
YOU GOT IT! Most gurus don’t know how to teach that though. However here’s the deal. If she is qualifying, she is investing. most students neg the shit out of a woman while she is qualifying… and they lose her because they don’t realize she is doing it.
When a woman is qualifying with “I make orgasmic brownies” you have to allow her investment to pay off. It’s as simple as saying, “Oh My God that is so cool! I may just consider you girlfriend material based on how you can cook brownies.” Thats where most puas are most miscalibrated. after all the disqualifying and negging he’s doing, he forgets to tell her he likes her in some way shape or form.
Student December 6 at 1:58am Report
Ahhh oky. Makes sense now. But oky ive run into a situation before were ive ran a qualifier and appreciated it but situation occured like your example above were i made a statement afterwards similar to, “I may just consider you girlfriend material based on how you can cook brownies” sometimes it comes off “jokingly” cuz im usually very high energetic when in im infield. Does that effect it if she doesnt receive the proper message eventho shes already qualified herself??
Btw side note….. Im not too much of a neg or disqualify person, I cant rele explain but im just high energy, fun, and playful. I pump alotta buying temperature and basically only purely focus on making sure shes at least FEELING something. So with that being sed i dont rele have any routines cuz it feels like it takes away from genuineality, like i only thing i consistanly use is the high five spin move lol. So i dunno if that effects anything at all.
Tech December 6 at 2:10am
Yes it does… because if you are ONLY the high energy, fun, playful guy, you are eventually just annoying… (It’s the central flaw of mystery method and ghost and flame game without guidance). If you feel that’s all you are, you become the annoying guy at some point. Women want a guy who can shift gears when the right time comes along, and the statement of intent (You are cool for brownies) IS that point where you should slow down.
If you read gambler’s book on natural seduction, he talks of 3 characters of seduction. Mystery method game teaches flash and high energy game well. That is “Mr. Social”. Mr. comfort has to slow things down and stop the high energy game. Mr. Seduction has to turn both off and be sexual. You can’t be high energy and comforting or high energy and sexual. you just can’t and the woman will find you tedious.
If it is coming off jokingly you are coming off insincere and her investment feels bad to her. She spent that time qualifying to you and your statement of intent becomes a disqualifier. The LAST thing she needs. It’s the same feeling you get where you invest money on a new pick up product only to find that the packaging and ads were nice, but it’s only a book of openers that are rehashed. SHE invested in you, and you gave her back a negative feeling. And ioi begets an IOI right?
Here’s an example of what you are doing. Have you ever been at a party and a guy tells a few jokes and he’s really good. He has the whole crowd in his hand. But that’s all he’s got, so he keeps telling more and more jokes. And even more. The crowd starts feeling he is try hard and not able to be serious. Not able to connect. Because he uses humor to shield himself from ever making a connection.
Guys like you who say “I’m high energy, fun, playful” miss the fine line of when to shift gears down to slowing down the interaction in comfort and making connections and truly being impressed by a woman’s qualifying. If you come off joking, you’ve just told her she’s not good enough for you to shift gears and truly get to know her.
“I basically purely focus on making sure she’s at least feeling something.”
Um. The Social Arts are about making connections and dating or having sex. Not solely making a woman feel something. If that’s what you “Purely focus on” you are focusing on the wrong thing. YOu are looking for validation through reaction. Stop that. Look for connection. If you were looking for that you would know when to shift gears. If you are looking for her to feel something, you keep throwing flame game without ever stopping and you are purely focusing on miscalibration.
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